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Post by Choconado on Aug 1, 2018 22:11:31 GMT -5
This is a very in-depth sort of investigation, and even false leads are worth pursuing over no leads at all imho.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 2, 2018 16:02:54 GMT -5
While looking through some vintage gay porn mags of the era, I found perhaps the worst thing imaginable. Drummer 1976.jpg (580.15 KB)
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 2, 2018 19:36:02 GMT -5
Yes, Deeky, that was very bad. Do you remember my noting that one Neo Nazi outfit advertised in a GLBT publication in probably 1973, to very adamant protests from the readers.
Following up on those things, I did find one Lesbian Neo Nazi who described herself as one of the rarest creatures there was.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 2, 2018 20:03:49 GMT -5
This was an unintended repeat of a quote from Deeky. Back to the search for Ed D Louie's HIM, and its reportedly being mentioned in Butt magazine, can't remember who it was and if it was on the old Film Detectives on the latest check the old board being gone, or this new thread, and who posted it. I do know I gave my reaction, and since it did have some things of interest in its contents listings such as an interview with John Waters, I could find no article specifically on HIM, and even for someone as willing to go to great lengths to find out more about Ed D Louie and his mysterious film, reading all of the columns and other regular features in Butt, or even the individual issues features, was just too much of an undertaking for me. But, who knows? I've often wondered if John Waters ever saw Him, and, maybe the film could have been mentioned in that interview Butt magazine did with Mr. Waters. i was surprised that the Kinsey Institute only had 100 or less listings of "stag" film reels, nothing compared to that 500 or so listing of VHS tapes. Oh, well, finished my for pay workweek, so I'll have the weekend to do some serious work on Newspapers.com, and hopefully get some answers to my questions, and a lot of other peoples' questions, as to just where in the USA and Canada HIM could have played. My list of the 50 largest cities according to the 1970 USA census, which started the Film Detectives thread on the apparently now wiped out old ZAQB was saved with that entire thread, on the D drive of my desktop computer.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 2, 2018 20:37:45 GMT -5
This was an unintended repeat of a quote from Deeky.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 2, 2018 21:01:49 GMT -5
I've often wondered if John Waters ever saw Him, and, maybe the film could have been mentioned in that interview Butt magazine did with Mr. Waters. I genuinely doubt that.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 2, 2018 21:16:46 GMT -5
Anyway, just read the interview here to confirm or disconfirm.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 2, 2018 22:40:18 GMT -5
Anyway, just read the interview here to confirm or disconfirm. OK, Deeky, I read the entire interview, and, no, there was no mention of Ed D Louie and HIM in it. Or of the Medveds and their Golden Turkey Awards Book(s). Not really much of interest in the interview.
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Post by Choconado on Aug 2, 2018 23:04:57 GMT -5
Yes, Deeky, that was very bad. Do you remember my noting that one Neo Nazi outfit advertised in a GLBT publication in probably 1973, to very adamant protests from the readers. Following up on those things, I did find one Lesbian Neo Nazi who described herself as one of the rarest creatures there was. If I remember my history lessons, Hitler actually liked Lesbians (but not gay men). He was one of those who imagined they could be "turned" by the right man and still make good aryan babies. It's always the magic dick in some people's heads...
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Post by Deeky on Aug 3, 2018 10:05:55 GMT -5
He liked Röhm okay.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 5, 2018 13:10:47 GMT -5
Last night I looked over Kinsey's Swedish Erotica holdings, and didn't find anything related to Ed D Louie and HIM.
There is one GLBT archive in California, that DoubleU listed fairly early on in this thread, which had several magazines that reviewed HIM, one called Data-Boy and I forget the other 2 right now.
I did a good bit of looking over that archive, and just like Kinsey, it has lists of boxes of stuff that were donated.
To do searches of the holdings you have to sign up with a user name and password, and I am considering doing that, although with HIM being made in New York City, it would seem my chances of searching an archive for possible references to Ed D Louie and HIM would have better chances of results if the archive were located in NYC, or the State of New York, altho at the present I don't know of any such GLBT archives in NYC or New York State.
I am making my list of cities from the 1970 Census 50 largest Cities, which I intend to check, and my feeling or suspicion is that with newspapers.com, the ones I need, the daily papers from those cities will probably all require a premium membership to view, although I might first take advantage of newspapers.com's free one week offer.
There is just no telling where answers to the mystery of Ed D Louie and HIM might be found, but finding out where the film played in the USA and Canada, and possibly other countries, would be a start that might lead to some answers.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 6, 2018 12:18:43 GMT -5
Good Lord Williing and the Creeks don't rise, or I don't get run over and killed by a car or a truck, I'm going to send in my 74 something dollars by mail, to newspapers.com, the premium price which allows me the surf all of their newspapers.
That fee lasts six months, and in that time, I plan to find answers to a lot of questions I've wondered about for many years.
Obviously, in relation to this thread, just where and when did Ed D Louie's mysterious film HIM play in the USA and Canada? How about Mexico?
And, about Brother Dave Gardner's major misunderstanding with the Atlanta police dept over having too many amphetemine pills, and the woman who predicted the End of the World for March 15, 1965.
And, more stuff than I would want to waste my time mentioning here.
(Well, I do hope to find the death notice for Miss Hazel Weiss, in Indiana in 1976. That name may mean Something to some of you ZAQBers, but Nothing to others. After looking at one photo on a web page, I seriously doubt it was of Miss Hazel herself, but just a posed photo by a professional model).
Of course, if anyone else wants to take advantage of newspapers.com's free offer, and find out when and where Him played in 1975, I've already given you the stragegy of which cities to look in, such as Philadelphia.
I'd much rather someone else do it than having to do it myself. There is plenty more I can do with a membership in newspapers.com than search for playdates for Ed D Louie's HIM.
Goodbye for now, and I'm on my way to the post office. Gotta cross super crowded US 17 to get my payment in the mail, and maybe that car or truck with my death warrant on board, is waiting for our rendevous.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 6, 2018 12:54:17 GMT -5
I'm going to send in my 74 something dollars by mail, to newspapers.com, the premium price which allows me the surf all of their newspapers. You can do that?
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 6, 2018 14:30:49 GMT -5
I'm going to send in my 74 something dollars by mail, to newspapers.com, the premium price which allows me the surf all of their newspapers. You can do that? Yes, Deeky. I've signed up for an account and gotten a password. go to newspapers.com, and get to their help center, which I can't remember exactly how I got to it, both times by accident, and click on account & payment in the list, and you get a form for check or money order payments that you print out, one page, where you check the subscription you are paying for, and mail it in with your check or money order. I have no idea if I will renew after my 6 months run out or not. I may well get all that I need and wand in that length of time. I've printed the from and filled it out, and after going offline, will get a money order (I am NOT going to give out my credit card number) and get it into the mail within the next hour. They also have a phone number for their help desk.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 7, 2018 17:06:18 GMT -5
For any of you Eager Beavers, or Eager Baskets, who want a preview of what's on Newspaper Archive, and want to give their free one week offer a trial, I've done a bit of preliminary work, looking over the thumbnails of the Philadelphia Daily News for May of 1975, before and After HIM played in Pittsburgh.
Just remember, and they don't tell you this, you must notify newspapers.com 2 days before your 7 day free trial runs out, or you will be billed on the credit card, the number of which you are required to give them for the free 7 day trial.
And, here is where you can look.
The All Male Movie House, or One of such houses, is in the lower left corner, and while the text is not large enough in the thumbnails to read the titles of the films, (unless some of you have super microscopic vision), what I have found so far, in my preliminary searches, is of interest.
I checked the follwing dates:
May 2, page 38
May 9, page 42
May 16, page 38, and, Surprise! Surprise! who is in the house ad, but Mr. Tux! (or a look alike to the one in the Chi Town ads. Even in the small thumbnail, the bow tie is unmistakable)
Skipped May 23, since HIM was playing in Pittsburgh, May 21-27.
May 30, p. 40 - Mr. Tux again, and this time the house is listed in a joint ad with some straight houses.
My Beetle Bailey Like laziness has taken over, and that's all I'm willing to do on this project for the present.
But, if any of you other ZAQBers have the time and motivation to do so, please do so, and find the Philly showing of HIM, before I have to do any more work to find it.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 7, 2018 17:46:41 GMT -5
Eager Baskets!
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Post by Deeky on Aug 7, 2018 17:48:23 GMT -5
May 16, page 38, and, Surprise! Surprise! who is in the house ad, but Mr. Tux! (or a look alike to the one in the Chi Town ads. Even in the small thumbnail, the bow tie is unmistakable) May 30, p. 40 - Mr. Tux again, and this time the house is listed in a joint ad with some straight houses. Post up the images!
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 7, 2018 19:03:51 GMT -5
May 16, page 38, and, Surprise! Surprise! who is in the house ad, but Mr. Tux! (or a look alike to the one in the Chi Town ads. Even in the small thumbnail, the bow tie is unmistakable) May 30, p. 40 - Mr. Tux again, and this time the house is listed in a joint ad with some straight houses. Post up the images! Looking closer at the thumbnails, it seems like the all male house in Philly was listed with some straight houses from the first ad I found. Deeky, you asked for it and you'll get it, but again, keep in mind what I said about the text being too small to make out the film titles One exception was the Chicago Tribune opening ad for HIM at the Bijou, where the title, tho small, is readable. And, on the matter of Mr. Tux, the porno houses, both gay and straight had stage shows, so i'm thinking that Mr. Tux could be an MC (master of Ceremonies) for the stage shows, kind of like Bozo the Clown, who was played by different actors in different towns. Since the title HIM was readable in the Chi Tribune, im thinking of looking beyond its supposed two week run and seeing if it could have been held over a few more weeks before returning to NYC. Or maybe you can do that before i get the chance, with my Beetle Bailey laziness ruling right at the moment. Remember, the thumbnails are small, and to look in the lower left hand corner Attachments:
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 7, 2018 19:05:39 GMT -5
Deeky, three was the limit for inserting images, so here is the final one, with Mr. Tux again.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 7, 2018 19:31:51 GMT -5
Thanks, Billy A. Anderson, but I can't really make anything out in those tiny images. Were there none at a higher resolution?
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