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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 7, 2018 19:40:59 GMT -5
Thanks, Billy A. Anderson , but I can't really make anything out in those tiny images. Were there none at a higher resolution? Deeky, didn't you click on the images to enlarge them? You can always go to the original source to see if you can get the pages any bigger. Let's see if Dr. Kobb can recognize Mr. Tux in the ads. And, my final Good Deed for this project for the day. The opening day ad for HIM in Chi town. Click on the image to enlarge it, and on the lower right corner of the page, you should recognize Mr. Tux to the left, and the title HIM to the right of the ad, in white lettering on a black background. When I click on the attachmed images, I am taken to a viewer where the photos are on a black background, and are larger, and can be scroilled thru. I'm waiting for Dr. Kobb's reaction. Attachments:
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Post by Deeky on Aug 7, 2018 19:42:42 GMT -5
]Deeky, didn't you click on the images to enlarge them? I did, but those are only negligibly larger.
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 7, 2018 19:52:33 GMT -5
Thanks, Billy A. Anderson , but I can't really make anything out in those tiny images. Were there none at a higher resolution? Deeky, didn't you click on the images to enlarge them? You can always go to the original source to see if you can get the pages any bigger. Let's see if Dr. Kobb can recognize Mr. Tux in the ads. And, my final Good Deed for this project for the day. The opening day ad for HIM in Chi town. Click on the image to enlarge it, and on the lower right corner of the page, you should recognize Mr. Tux to the left, and the title HIM to the right of the ad, in white lettering on a black background. When I click on the attachmed images, I am taken to a viewer where the photos are on a black background, and are larger, and can be scroilled thru. I'm waiting for Dr. Kobb's reaction. I'll have to keep my word processer open. Got a feeling my eassy's gonna need a little updating before too long. Excellent work as always, Billy.
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Post by Dr. Kobb on Aug 7, 2018 20:35:38 GMT -5
Thanks, Billy A. Anderson , but I can't really make anything out in those tiny images. Were there none at a higher resolution? Deeky, didn't you click on the images to enlarge them? You can always go to the original source to see if you can get the pages any bigger. Let's see if Dr. Kobb can recognize Mr. Tux in the ads. And, my final Good Deed for this project for the day. The opening day ad for HIM in Chi town. Click on the image to enlarge it, and on the lower right corner of the page, you should recognize Mr. Tux to the left, and the title HIM to the right of the ad, in white lettering on a black background. When I click on the attachmed images, I am taken to a viewer where the photos are on a black background, and are larger, and can be scroilled thru. I'm waiting for Dr. Kobb's reaction. I can make out where Mr. Tux is in the ad, but like Deeky, when I enlarge it, it's still way too tiny.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 7, 2018 20:58:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the posts, Deeky, DoubleU and Dr. Kobb. I'm fairly sure that HIM was not held over a third week in Chicago.
Altho these thumbnails are small, I can get some clues as to where to be looking, once I can view the pages full sized.
I've got some travelling to do on my job, which I do get paid for doing, so that takes first precedence.
I have saved to USB some thumbnails from Detroit and Boston, 2 other places that need checking out.
And, I just remembered Newark, New Jersey, although again, would it be too close to NYC for any additional showings of HIM?
I suppose I need to look at a map to see how close or far apart those 2 cities.
And, Choco, how about the "real" South Detroit of Windsor, Canada? So far I have not found any Windsor daily newspapers.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 8, 2018 13:29:08 GMT -5
And, I just remembered Newark, New Jersey, although again, would it be too close to NYC for any additional showings of HIM? I suppose I need to look at a map to see how close or far apart those 2 cities. It's only a few miles away. Less than ten.
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Post by Choconado on Aug 8, 2018 22:39:15 GMT -5
Yeah, isn't it like, just across the bridge from NYC?
Also, regarding Windsor, I'd probably need a passport to investigate their papers, but I'll see what I can find with my web-fu. Let me know if you turn up anything for the Motor City in your search and I might be able to investigate locally.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 9, 2018 3:13:55 GMT -5
Yeah, isn't it like, just across the bridge from NYC? Also, regarding Windsor, I'd probably need a passport to investigate their papers, but I'll see what I can find with my web-fu. Let me know if you turn up anything for the Motor City in your search and I might be able to investigate locally. Well, Choco, checking the Detroit Free Press, I did find a two column add for what looked like a number of X rated movie theaters, the only one with an ad mat being for China Girl (wasn't that one with Marc 10 & 1/2 Stevens?). But, again, without yet being able to enlarge to full pages, plus those types of theaters with the exception of the BAR, NYT, Village Voice, and Washington Blade, tended to buy very small ad space often only one column, with small type, severely limiting what one can do with newspapers.com, without paying, Atlanta had larger ads than Detroit. I'm thinking that I did, on Google, find a Windsor newspaper, but no adult movie houses. But, I don't make notes on absolutely everything I might check out or I'd go insane. One factor of my searches on newspapers.com, is that I have just typed in the name of different US cities from the 50 largest US cities list, and often times, a newspaper might not be listed under the name of the city it is in. Newspapers.com does have a feature with names of cities highlighted, to look for different newspapers in those cities, and it is useable to the non-paying public, but I have just not used it yet, my direct approach being to simply look for a newspaper with the name of one of the USA's 50 largest cities. As a result, I have only one newspaper for California, and one for Texas, although there might be 3 or 4 cities from those 2 states, on the list. I don't think rural drive-ins would be likely places to find the kind of movie theaters that would have been showing HIM. Yet you run into some unexpected things. In a rural area of the Carolinas, I once noticed a joint called the L'il Art Theatre (obviously porno), that being years ago, and in 1990, when I worked on one job, I passed by an "adult book club" in a rural farming community, close to where I am now living and to add to the never say never, surrealism of it all, this joint was within a few hundred yards of a church building, something that shouldn't be, under county zoning laws, but, like the X rated houses of Baltimore, avoiding the Censor Board, by being a private club . . . In the search to learn more about Ed D Louie and his mystery film HIM, Expect the Unexpected, although finding what we are looking for is not going to be a Piece of Cake by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 9, 2018 5:18:45 GMT -5
But, again, without yet being able to enlarge to full pages, plus those types of theaters with the exception of the BAR, NYT, Village Voice, and Washington Blade, tended to buy very small ad space often only one column, with small type, severely limiting what one can do with newspapers.com, without paying, I downloaded all of the Washington Blade archives from the 1970s as PDFs. I just need to make time to look through the appropriate years.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 9, 2018 11:30:19 GMT -5
But, again, without yet being able to enlarge to full pages, plus those types of theaters with the exception of the BAR, NYT, Village Voice, and Washington Blade, tended to buy very small ad space often only one column, with small type, severely limiting what one can do with newspapers.com, without paying, I downloaded all of the Washington Blade archives from the 1970s as PDFs. I just need to make time to look through the appropriate years. Deeky, it was great of you to do that, and I'm sure you will and can learn a lot from reading all of those newspaper. While it is definitely a Special Interest newspaper, I was impressed by how much of the entertainment reviews covered films, and plays that were made for the general public, although in some cases, such as the Rocky Horror Picture Show, for example, where GLBT and general public interest entertainment overlaps. One example: there were ads for the Manhattan Rythm Kings in the Bladed, and I had seen them on Tom Snyder's Tomorrow show, and never would have thought of them as a GLBT group. Same with Bette Midler. At least one of her records, "Boogie Woogie Boogie Boy of Company B," was played on mainstream radio stations, and it was many years or later that I learned she started her singing careerr at the Continental Bath House, which had been the subject of some reports on the Tomorrow Show, although I didn't remember any mention of Miss Midler in those reports. If I had the time, I could read a lot of those articles, and benefit from doing so. But, I don''t have the time, and never will. Above all else, I've got to earn an income. I did make some notes on thing of interest from the Washington Blade, and migtht post them here, when there is some connection to what we're discussing in relation to Ed D Louie's HIM. For example, "Mr. Tux," who I think all of us were mystified by, and so far no one has revealed his ID. I even thought he might have been Ed D Louie Himself, rather than printing his name with HIM. But, now I think he was connected with the Stage Show at the Bijou. The Blade had a story about the all male movie houses, and the stage shows that accompanied the films. And, it wasn't just the all male movie houses that had stage shows. So did the straight porno houses. Both types of houses were calling the stage shows, "burlesque," which was particularly odd and contradictiory, since Burleseque had pretty much by the 1970s died out. Quite a few old time burlesque houses that featured films as audience chasers between the stage acts, eventually dropped the stage shows altogether and became movies only houses. I'm stopping this right now, because it'm not getting paid one dollar to write it, and it's doing nothing to find out anything about Ed D Louie and HIM. I was going to annoy the ZAQBers with another mention of Sunset Lodge, but my Better Judgement got the Better of Me. Let's all of us work together and find out all we can about Ed D Louie and HIM. For What, I Don't Know (thanks again to Eric Clapton for that saying).
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Post by Deeky on Aug 9, 2018 11:42:10 GMT -5
I was going to annoy the ZAQBers with another mention of Sunset Lodge, but my Better Judgement got the Better of Me.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 9, 2018 15:07:26 GMT -5
I'm at the public library now. Checked my email, and my payment for the newspapers.com 6 month membership, expiring on February 9th of next year, has been received, so now I can view the full sized pages and make some progress on the HIM project, although it will still be like looking for a needle in a hay stack.
Before I leave the library I'm going to request three books, some which might require an interlibrary loan:
Lost Films by Phill Hall
Pauline's Memoirs of the Madam on Clay Street, which I think I have requested before and gotten. I want to be as accurate as I can when hopefully entertianing you other ZAQBers with gems of wisdom from Pauline's years of experinece as a madam.
And, the novel about Sunset Lodge, which I dont' even know the title of, although I'm hoping that being closer to home, they won't have to get it on interlibrary loan.
For the present, I'm holding off of getting Polly Adler's A House Is Not A Home, despite the fact that it has recently had a reprinting, possibly by a university press, with a scholarly intro by a college professor, on its value as a very valuable piece of history of decades long past and forgotten in American history.
That will take awhile, but in a few hours, the search for where Ed D Louie's HIM went after its first run in NYC in 1974, and after other runs in NYC, and Pittsburgh in 1975, and NYC in 1976, will begin in earnest.
And, once again, I need all the help that I can get, and anyone who'd like to get the one week free trial offer from newspapers.com, please do so, reminding all of you that you have to tell them two days ahead of time, to have your subscription ended after the one free week runs out.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 9, 2018 16:53:56 GMT -5
Still at the library, but plan to leave before too much longer. Pauline's Memoirs had to be ordered on interlibrary loan. The asking price for one paperback edition is $179.31!
I did request it, any edition they could get me.
I am considering giving A House Is Not a Home another try, since it does have that scholarly preface, but since my memories of the lastime (if they are not false memories, and I never checked out the book in the first place) are correct, I'd imagine I would sfind it a bore not worth my time altho the preface to the new edition might be worth reading.
From the photos I've seen, none of the madams are very good looking. Pauline Tabor was overweight, due to whatever condition had also rendered her infertile.
But, she apparently had some attractiveness when in the lobby of a hotel, a porter with a nervous look, brought her a note from a man in another room, asking if she'd like to come up and see him. Pauline accepted and the man offered her a drink of whiskey which she found to bad tasting to finish, so she just told him, she'd give him a good time, but he would have to pay for it, and that is how she got started in her career of prostitution.
I was not surprised that the local libraries had two copies of Keeper of the House, the novel based on Sunset Lodge, but there were seven holds on it, so I added an 8th hold of my own. I'm expecting a Long Wait, as an early Mickey Spillane novel was titled.
A man at a computer had some kind of pain attack that caused him to groan loudly for a considerable time, and an ambulance was called, to take him to the hospital.
Will soon be surfing the newspapers looking for playdates for Ed D Louie's HIM.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 9, 2018 22:57:36 GMT -5
Do you remember my noting that one Neo Nazi outfit advertised in a GLBT publication in probably 1973, to very adamant protests from the readers. I do not remember that.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 9, 2018 23:31:22 GMT -5
Do you remember my noting that one Neo Nazi outfit advertised in a GLBT publication in probably 1973, to very adamant protests from the readers. I do not remember that. It might very well be in the old ZAQB threads, which were down for awhile but last I checked were back up. What I have found so far, is that reports of HIM showing in Chicago at the Bijou are slightly off. The film played two weeks, but the opening date was given as Friday, January 31, of 1975 Actually, the date for new films opening at the Bijou was Wednesday, so HIM opened at the Bijou on Wednesday, January 29, and played through Tuesday, February 11, 1975. That 2 column ad with Mr. Tux in it was used a few times, but mostly it was a very small, short one column ad. The 1 col ad for the second week, had a photo of some guy other than Mr. Tux. Also, there was some variation in the type script of the title, "HIM," but I don't know if that was from the pressbook used for the 1974 opening at the 55th Street Playhouse in 1974 or not. In finding out where HIM played, wasn't it Ringo Starr, who sang, "you know it don't come easy?" I'm now going to check out Philadelphia and hopefully find a showing of HIM in that city in 1975. Although the titles of second features with him were given in two or three of the documented showings, in the first run in Chicago, the ads just said, "second feature," which seemed to be pretty much the rule at the Bijou.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 10, 2018 0:53:35 GMT -5
Sooner than I was expecting, I found the first Philadelphia showing of HIM at the Sansom Cinema, opening on Friday, February 21st, and running for one week, a new show opening on the following Friday, February 28. Ad is in the Phildadelphia Daily News, Page 36 in a typical joint ad with 2 straight houses, all 3 houses using an Ace of Spades type of Logo.
Will also check out the Philadelphia Inquirer. With the computer I'm on now, I haven't figured out how to get a good, clear photo file of the ad, just getting a whole field of thumbnails, but since this is only my first day viewing the full sized pages, I'm sure I'll get the problem resolved and maybe have 2 different ads from 2 different newspapers for all of you ZAQBers.
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 10, 2018 2:02:52 GMT -5
Sooner than I was expecting, I found the first Philadelphia showing of HIM at the Sansom Cinema, opening on Friday, February 21st, and running for one week, a new show opening on the following Friday, February 28. Ad is in the Phildadelphia Daily News, Page 36 in a typical joint ad with 2 straight houses, all 3 houses using an Ace of Spades type of Logo. Will also check out the Philadelphia Inquirer. With the computer I'm on now, I haven't figured out how to get a good, clear photo file of the ad, just getting a whole field of thumbnails, but since this is only my first day viewing the full sized pages, I'm sure I'll get the problem resolved and maybe have 2 different ads from 2 different newspapers for all of you ZAQBers. Amazing work! Can't wait to see the photos once you figure out how to get them nice and clear.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 10, 2018 9:35:06 GMT -5
I look forward to seeing the images. Bonnastole, Billy!
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 10, 2018 12:09:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies, DoubleU and Deeky. Got to get to work at my job, but will try to get the opening day for HIM in Philadelphia ad in a viewable form. The additional ones from Chicago can wait till tomorrow, not a work day.
I suppose Saint Louis would be the next logical place for HIM to play after Chicago.
So far, I have not found any Saint Louis daily newspapers, or any from the Ohio and Indiana cities on the 50 biggest American cities, 1970 census.
But, to repeat myself, I've been looking under the names of the Cities, Indianapolis, Saint Louis, Cleveland, Columbus,Toledo and Cincinatti.
It's very possible newspapers.com could have daily newspapers from those cities without the city names in the titles.
And, to repeat myself, any of you other ZAQB members do not need newspapers.com memberships to search their site by cities for newspaper titles in those places, while I am at work, earning my next paycheck.
Hopefully can get that Philadelphia opening day ad, but it is nothing spectacular. No pressbook ad mats. Just First Run Him (no Ed D Louie included).
But, I'm sure you other Film Detectives still want to see it.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 10, 2018 12:34:41 GMT -5
So far, I have not found any Saint Louis daily newspapers, or any from the Ohio and Indiana cities on the 50 biggest American cities, 1970 census. But, to repeat myself, I've been looking under the names of the Cities, Indianapolis, Saint Louis, Cleveland, Columbus,Toledo and Cincinatti. Just as an aside, no one actually spells is "Saint Louis." It's "St. Louis." That may be why you're not finding it in your searches.
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