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Post by Deeky on Aug 10, 2018 12:54:34 GMT -5
Area newspaper names:
St. Louis: St. Louis Post-Dispatch, St. Louis Globe-Democrat (defunct 1986). Alternative weekly: Riverfront Times.
Indianapolis: The Indianapolis Star, and Indianapolis News (defunct 1999).
Cleveland: The Plain Dealer, The News-Herald, Cleveland Press (defunct 1982). Alternative weekly: Cleveland Scene.
Columbus: The Columbus Dispatch, The Columbus Citizen-Journal (defunct 1985). Alternative weeklies: Columbus Free Press, Columbus Messenger, Columbus Alive.
Toledo: The Blade.
Cincinnati: The Cincinnati Enquirer, The Cincinnati Post (defunct 2007).
Philadelphia: The Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia Bulletin (defunct 1982), Northeast Times. Alternative weeklies: Philadelphia Gay News, Philadelphia Weekly. Tabloids: Philadelphia Daily News, Philadelphia Journal (1977 - 1981).
Chicago: Chicago Tribune, Lake County News-Sun, Chicago Sun-Times, Daily Herald, Post-Tribune, Chicago Daily News (defunct 1978), Daily Southtown, Dziennik Związkowy. Alternative weeklies: Hyde Park Herald, Chicago Reader.
Detroit: The Detroit News, Detroit Free Press. Alternative weeklies: The Michigan Citizen (1978-present), Metro Times (1980-present).
Jacksonville: The Florida Times-Union, Jacksonville Journal (defunct 1988).
Miami: Miami Herald, El Nuevo Herald, The Miami News (defunct 1988). Biweekly: Florida Keys Keynoter.
Atlanta: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Alternative weekly: The Great Speckled Bird (defunct 1976).
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 10, 2018 21:01:40 GMT -5
Deeky, many thanks for those two long lists of newspapers. I did get some photos today, that will probably be acceptable to include in my posts, and also have some more to report.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 11, 2018 12:43:19 GMT -5
Deeky, thanks again for getting me straightened out on the correct spelling of St Louis and Cincinnati.
I found the Post Dispatch and the Enquirer listed, but none of the others.
As great as newspapers.com is, they don't have everything.
But, I can do a lot with what they do have.
One big disappointment is that I can not find any newspapers for Jacksonville, Florida. Back in 2012 or so when I exhausted everything that Google News Archive had, finding a lot of ads for HIM in their Village Voice listings, but only one outside of NYC, the one in Pittsburg.
The biggest disappointment was Miami. They did not have the bigger Miami newspaper, but a smaller one, and while there were plenty of listings for extreme porno films such as those of Fred Halstead, I never found even one playdate for HIM.
In reading the Washington Blade, even open minded GLBT writers, find Mr. Halstead, his attitudes, films, and statements he makes to be morally objectionable. While HIM is definitely an extreme porno film, those of Mr. Halstead are even more extreme, so I don't think the Miami houses avoided HIM because of its extreme nature. It very well could have played when the theaters just listed "2 all male X Rated" films with no titles, which was fairly common in Miami, and other places.
Choco, I found no listings on Newspapers.com for any Windsor newspapers. In the Detroit Free Press, I found one all male house which was a joint ad with a straight house,such ads being fairly common. This house was called the Wood-Six 1, with it and the other house taking up one column of a two column ad.
I checked November 1, 1974 and June 6, 1975, and HIM was not listed.
As far as your surfing Detroit free press, or any of the local regular, or alternate newspapers for Deroit, which might be available on microfilm, or if a local public library has a subscription to a newspaper archive service, which some libraries do have, just Do What Thou Wilt, and if it's a chore and a bore to do, just let it lie (as Dave Dudley's second verse to his song, "If It Feels Good, Do It," advises us).
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 11, 2018 12:57:38 GMT -5
I think that we Film Detectives have had good success with starting to fill up the calander for the first 5 months of 1975 with the NYC, Pittsburgh, and now Philadelphia runs of HIM. To work as fast as possible, I usually look for Fridays as having the biggest movie ads, altho again, with mainstream newspapers, ads for theaters that showed HIM,a "big" ad would still be small in comparison to those of alternative newspapers. When really getting down to the nitty gritty (whatever that means), of filling up the 1974-1976 calenders, being as exact and precise as possible, as to when HIM might have played, does become important. I'll start on this with the January-February run of HIM at the Bijou in Chicago, where the movies changed on Wednesdays, rather than Fridays, showing the ads From the Chicago Tribune, for the days before and after HIM played for two weeks, although not all of the 14 days of that run. Tuesday, Jan 28, was the last day for Youthful dreams, with a short one col. ad on page 32. Wednesday, Jan 29 was the first day for HIM, with a 2 col. ad on Page 34. Attachments:
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 11, 2018 13:03:43 GMT -5
The Second week of Him's run at the Bijou used a moderately short 1 col ad, from Page 38, on Wednesday, February 5. And, the final day of the run, Tuesday, February 11, used a very short 1 col ad, from Page 34, which had also been used on other days during the run, although I did not check all 14 days of the run for all variations. Attachments:
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 11, 2018 13:06:28 GMT -5
Following Him's run at the Bijou on Wednesday, February 12, 1975, a one week only encore showing of 2 films were listed in a 2 col ad on page 47.
It would not surprise me at all if HIM, like Drive and Left Handed, later returned for a one week only encore showing at the Bijou.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 11, 2018 20:50:19 GMT -5
OK, now we are going to get to the first run of HIM in Philadelphia, which, in keeping with my practice of checking Fridays for film openings, I assumed opened on Friday, February 21st, at the Sansom which I thought was part of a 3 movie house group or chain, but now it's 4 houses? Did they add another one sometime during the months of 1975 that I checked the Sansom to find that run of HIM? Well, HIM started earlier than Friday Feb 21. It started either on Sunday, Feb 16, or Mon, Feb 17, but I can't tell for sure, since the Philly Daily News, the smaller tabloid sized paper I've been checking had no Sunday edition. I tried checking the Sunday edition of the Philidelphia Inquirer, but with it being 300 + pages just finding the movie ads was hard, and right now I'm not going to waste valuable time to see if that 4 house group or chain advertised in the Inquirere weekdays. I didn't see any of their ads on Sunday, Feb 16, 1075 The last program at the Sansom before the arrival of HIM was listed in the Philly Daily News of Saturday, February 15, on page 14, a stage show and two features. On Monday, February 17, page 18, is a 2 col ad for the Sanson for the first run of HIM, 2nd feature the Collection, on page18. Attachments:
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 11, 2018 20:59:42 GMT -5
Unless the Sansom theater was closed on Sunday, post will take us thru the rest of its six or seven day run ending either Saturday, Feb 22, or Sunday, Feb 23, of 1975 Tuesday thru Thursday, and Saturday, the Sansom ran a 1 col ad for HIM, shown below, although the one on Wednesday was a variation, with a drawing of two guys. Right now that's too small a detail for me to bother with, although any of you other ZAQBers are welcome to to it yourslf if so inclined. Also, as shown below, in the two col ad for Friday, Feb 21, there was some additional text added to what was otherwise the same that ran on Monday, Feb 17. Attachments:
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 12, 2018 6:59:04 GMT -5
Great job finding these, Billy. I've quickly updated the essay and shared these with all the major film detective hotspots [Lost Media Wiki etc]. Can't wait to see what else might be uncovered.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 12, 2018 14:08:28 GMT -5
Great job finding these, Billy. I've quickly updated the essay and shared these with all the major film detective hotspots [Lost Media Wiki etc]. Can't wait to see what else might be uncovered. Thanks for the likes and the post, DoubleU. I've been checking more newspapers around the USA, and Indianapolis, Indiana, had quite a few adult movie houses. But! Both of the newspapers available, had a policy of not allowing the titles of the films to be named in the ads, and you had to call on the telephone to find out the film titles. So, not any use to this, or other film detectives, unless the film titles could have been listed before the newspapers started their policy of not allowing titles of X rated films in the ads. That check was for January 1975, which I consider the beginning date of the second run of HIM. A check of just when that policy of no X rated film titles started would take more time, and might not aid at all in finding if HIM ever played in that city. I checked Honolulu, and two newspapers are available. I checked one paper that listed a lot of porno houses, one of which could have shown HIM. If Him did play in Hawaii, that would be significant that it did play outside of the continental USA. I think Honolulu will be another location to concentrate on. Milwaukee, Wisconsin: On Google's newsspaper archive, I might have found only one newspaper, and don't remember it having many ads for X rated movies, and none that would have shown HIM. Will check to see if newspapers.com has more from Milwaukee. And, Atlanta, Georgia needs some attention, for the southern USA, especially since I found no showings of HIM in Miami, Florida. This is actually a very big project that will take a lot of time, and a lot of newspapers to search, and as much as I like looking for needles in haystacks, I might get totally sick and tired of this project! |
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Post by Deeky on Aug 13, 2018 10:51:29 GMT -5
Hey Billy A. Anderson, while looking through some archives, I found this ad for one of your heroes.  |
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Post by Deeky on Aug 13, 2018 11:09:10 GMT -5
One big disappointment is that I can not find any newspapers for Jacksonville, Florida. Back in 2012 or so when I exhausted everything that Google News Archive had, finding a lot of ads for HIM in their Village Voice listings, but only one outside of NYC, the one in Pittsburg. The biggest disappointment was Miami. They did not have the bigger Miami newspaper, but a smaller one, and while there were plenty of listings for extreme porno films such as those of Fred Halstead, I never found even one playdate for HIM. As far as your surfing Detroit free press, or any of the local regular, or alternate newspapers for Deroit, which might be available on microfilm, or if a local public library has a subscription to a newspaper archive service, which some libraries do have, just Do What Thou Wilt, and if it's a chore and a bore to do, just let it lie (as Dave Dudley's second verse to his song, "If It Feels Good, Do It," advises us). Do I need to add Miami, Jacksonville, and Detroit to my newspaper list above? |
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 13, 2018 12:07:07 GMT -5
Deeky, thanks for the posts above. Deeky, thanks for the last 2 posts. In one interview, John Holmes said he posed solo for a photo collection called The Homosexual Bible, which I thought was an hilarious title for such a publication.
It seems to have been forgotten. I have done net searches and Homosexual Bibles, like Tilers in the Showers, are a dime a dozen, but I never found a listing of the John Holmes version of that title.
It seems to be forgotten today, and I suppose it is a rarity that few people remember or have ever heard about.
I did find another showing of HIM, this one in Atlanta, for two weeks, but will wait awhile before giving more details, because I want to check the Detroit Free Press and some other locations before reporting on Atlanta, and possibly some other locations.
I think the Detroit Free Press is adquate, but if you can find any alternative newspapers, for Detroit, that would be good.
I've repeated a good many times that my search of Miami was very thorough, from before HIM was made and released, right up to the demise of X rated movie houses,and if HIM was shown in that city, it would have been in one of those cases where the titles of the films were not given, a fairly common practice, even that was not a policy of the newspapers, as in Minneapolis.
I think the Miami Herald was the biggest newspaper for that city, and it is not listed on Newspapers.com.
If there are any Jacksonville Florida newspapers that could be on newspapers.com, I'd be glad to know about it.
Just Do What Thou Wilt, Deeky.
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 13, 2018 12:14:34 GMT -5
I did find another showing of HIM, this one in Atlanta, for two weeks, but will wait awhile before giving more details, because I want to check the Detroit Free Press and some other locations before reporting on Atlanta, and possibly some other locations. Another screening so soon. Impressive work. Looking forward to hearing more about it. |
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 13, 2018 13:19:50 GMT -5
DoubleU, thanks for the post. Gotta get to some pressing money matters, but did a quick check of the Detroit Free Press, and HIM played for one week, at the Wood Six 1, another of those joint house ads with one straight and one gay theatre.
This booking is significant, because unless I am mixed up about things, it shows that there were at least two prints of HIM, with the film playing in 2 different cities, New York, and Detroit, at the same time.
The Detroit run was for one week, April 16 - 22 1975.
Now, if my records are correct, and I'm not mixed up, HIM played for two weeks in NYCity, April 18 - May 1, 1975, so there definitely were at least two prints of HIM circulating across the USA in 1975.
Will get the photo Kangaroo Court Evidence Exhibits, and post them here, when time permits, but right now, got to get to some Money Matters, which take precedence over Film Detective Work that I am doing gratis.
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 13, 2018 13:38:08 GMT -5
I can't personally confirm this, but it seems to be the case. Him was playing at the David Theatre in New York around this time. The only ad I have for it is from The Village Voice on April 28th, 1975, with no ads appearing in The Village Voice before or after that. I've been told ads for the David Theatre screening appear in the New York Times on April 18th and May 1st, but I've never had access to archives of that paper, so I can't confirm. If they do indeed appear then that seems to confirm there were at least two prints made, which basically doubles the chances of the film surviving in some form. Exciting discoveries! |
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 13, 2018 13:49:33 GMT -5
I can't personally confirm this, but it seems to be the case. Him was playing at the David Theatre in New York around this time. The only ad I have for it is from The Village Voice on April 28th, 1975, with no ads appearing in The Village Voice before or after that. I've been told ads for the David Theatre screening appear in the New York Times on April 18th and May 1st, but I've never had access to archives of that paper, so I can't confirm. If they do indeed appear then that seems to confirm there were at least two prints made, which basically doubles the chances of the film surviving in some form. Exciting discoveries! Thanks for the reply, DoubleU. Time for a break from the Film Detective work. I don't know now if newspaper.com has the New York Times or not, but I do still have my original notes on the day HIM opened at the David in NYC. And, I probably saved the ads as JPG files, and lost them in one of my computer crashes. I did my surfing of the NYT on microfilm at a local library, where I assumed that the microfilms would be there Forever. Well, that wasn't the case, with the library getting rid of most of its microfilm collection. There were other daily newspapers in NYC, that newspapers.com might have if they do not have the Times. |
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Post by Deeky on Aug 13, 2018 13:55:51 GMT -5
I did my surfing of the NYT on microfilm at a local library, where I assumed that the microfilms would be there Forever. Well, that wasn't the case, with the library getting rid of most of its microfilm collection. They didn't even digitize them? |
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 13, 2018 13:56:27 GMT -5
The internet seems to keep wanting to make me a liar. A quick Internet Archive search led to seemingly every NYT issue from 1975. April 18th, page 23. That seems to confirm it, there must have been at least two prints floating around. |
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 13, 2018 14:43:34 GMT -5
Didn't spot any movie ads in the April 17th issue, and the David was playing a different film on May 2nd. So that definitively puts the playdates for Him at the David from April 18th to May 1st, 1975. I'd get to updating the essay, although I'll probably wait on screenshots of the Atlanta and Detroit screenings before publishing the update. Excellent work, everyone!
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