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Post by Deeky on Aug 21, 2018 4:58:08 GMT -5
The Search for HIM playing in LA is not very satisfying, with my going from pessimism to optimism, to pessimism on finding any ads for its showing in that city. What papers are you looking in?
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 21, 2018 12:20:30 GMT -5
Deeky, I am looking at the adult entertainment section of the Los Angeles Times. Although that is a special section of the movie ads pages of the LAT, in addition to X rated movie houses, it also includes "adult" motels, and other places that are probably fronts for prostitution, these types of joints probably contributing to the demise of the old fashioned bawdy houses run by Madams such as Polly Adler, Pauline Tabor, and Miss Hazel Bennett Weiss, who I think it's OK to type out her name, although I will still refrain from typing out the name of her over rated, piddly little brothel outside of Georgetown, SC. Another of those old time brothels that folded in the early 1970s was the "chicken ranch," about which Larry King wrote the play, "best little whore house in texas." Now was that superlative "really" true, just like the claim that S----- L----- near Georgetown, was the most famous house east of the mississippi?
Maybe the Chicken ranch was the best house in texas to those who lived near it, but probably Texans in other communities considered the houses in their towns to be the best in Texas.
Like that song in the film (and stage play?) State fair lyrics go: "Our State Fair is the best state fair in our state."
I know Folklore about Texas is about things being big, isn't it strange, that the chicken ranch was called a "little" whorehouse, and ZZ Top is the "little" band from Texas.
Am I possibly being posessed by the spirit of Forry Ackerman (who, being a materialist, denied having a spirit), in writing this pointless, off of the original subject of the thread post?
Oh, and I just remembered the film, "The Best House In London," a mainstream film, not a porno, that was rated X in the early days of the rating system, when the MPAA followed their own rules. I missed it when it played locally, and probably might watch it if I had the opportunity. Castle of Frankenstein listied it in its mini film review column.
No more time wasted on this senseless Forry Ackerman type of post. After pressing the make post button, I'm logging out, and going back to surfing the LA Times for 1975.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 21, 2018 12:27:50 GMT -5
Is that on newspapers.com?
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 21, 2018 12:39:32 GMT -5
Yes, Deeky, that is on newspapers.com.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 21, 2018 12:50:41 GMT -5
Deeky, I am looking at the adult entertainment section of the Los Angeles Times. Although that is a special section of the movie ads pages of the LAT, in addition to X rated movie houses, it also includes "adult" motels, and other places that are probably fronts for prostitution, these types of joints probably contributing to the demise of the old fashioned bawdy houses run by Madams such as Polly Adler, Pauline Tabor, and Miss Hazel Bennett Weiss, who I think it's OK to type out her name, although I will still refrain from typing out the name of her over rated, piddly little brothel outside of Georgetown, SC. Another of those old time brothels that folded in the early 1970s was the "chicken ranch," about which Larry King wrote the play, "best little whore house in texas." Now was that superlative "really" true, just like the claim that S----- L----- near Georgetown, was the most famous house east of the mississippi? Maybe the Chicken ranch was the best house in texas to those who lived near it, but probably Texans in other communities considered the houses in their towns to be the best in Texas. Like that song in the film (and stage play?) State fair lyrics go: "Our State Fair is the best state fair in our state." I know Folklore about Texas is about things being big, isn't it strange, that the chicken ranch was called a "little" whorehouse, and ZZ Top is the "little" band from Texas. Am I possibly being posessed by the spirit of Forry Ackerman (who, being a materialist, denied having a spirit), in writing this pointless, off of the original subject of the thread post? Oh, and I just remembered the film, "The Best House In London," a mainstream film, not a porno, that was rated X in the early days of the rating system, when the MPAA followed their own rules. I missed it when it played locally, and probably might watch it if I had the opportunity. Castle of Frankenstein listied it in its mini film review column. No more time wasted on this senseless Forry Ackerman type of post. After pressing the make post button, I'm logging out, and going back to surfing the LA Times for 1975. Whoa. This was quite an edit. I swear this post was originally one sentence.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 21, 2018 12:56:56 GMT -5
That was all news to me. I understand wanting to keep the focus on finding the lost film, but thanks for the aside about Benzedrine abuse. I got this for Christmas last year. Looking forward to reading about Nazis and amphetamines!
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 21, 2018 14:33:48 GMT -5
I've taken power over the demon spirit of Forry Ackerman as a Christian Gentleman can do, and sticking to the topic of this thread.
I've now surfed the LA Times thru August of 1975, and the ads have gotten better.
A few things of interest, despite not yet finding an ad for HIM:
One house ran "Andy Warhol's" Vapors.
That was after an ad that didn't name the filmaker of Vapors.
And, what is wrong with that? They named the wrong Andy.
Vapors was an Andy Milligan film, not an Andy Warhol film.
Also, for Dr. Kobb, have found an ad for Sons of Satan.
Another point. There is a several column listing of "independent" movie houses in the LA and Long Beach areas, with probably two lines per house. Included are both straight and all male X rated houses, sometimes with the film titles given, sometimes not given. And, if I, or some other film detective wanted a super workout of the kind I'm not yet up to, it's possible that a listing for HIM could turn up on that page. In fact it was my search using the words, HIM and all male movie that lead me to that independent theater column in the first place, and an all male house that on the display ad page of the adult entertainment section, had very short one column ads when they did occasionally place ads on that page. I would imagine that ad space in the LA Times was very expensive, and with the countless porno houses in that city and the surrounding area, only a fraction of them could afford to place even a small ad on the adult entertainment pages.
I hope to be able to refine my search wording skills to hopefully get more and better results from the Independent Theaters page.
While this post is a bit verbose, it has gotten back to topics relevant to the search for Ed D Louie's HIM, and I hope to continue to exercise power over the demons that sometimes cause me, and other ZAQBers, to get off topic.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 21, 2018 14:35:14 GMT -5
Billy A. Anderson, are you able to save any of those pages from the L.A. Times as PDFs or other files?
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 21, 2018 17:05:46 GMT -5
Billy A. Anderson , are you able to save any of those pages from the L.A. Times as PDFs or other files? Yes, Deeky, I can do so with some difficulty.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 21, 2018 17:55:22 GMT -5
Would you be able to save a few of those pages as PDFs for me?
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 22, 2018 10:14:50 GMT -5
Deeky, when I have the time. I'm on my way to work. And, for the present, I'll have to do it on the public library computer, because the wifi line at the shack isn't working now. Lot of people in trucks today seem to be working on the phone lines, so I don't know when things will get back to normal. Also, another heavy work day Friday, but just let me know (by PM if you want to) what you need, and I'll get it for you, either by hard copy printout (haven't tried that yet with newspapers.com, still pretty rookie about the whole thing), or by JPEG file. Not sure yet about pdf.
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Post by Deeky on Aug 22, 2018 12:45:50 GMT -5
What I need is a few of the newspaper pages you're looking at that feature gay porn theater ads and/or gay bar ads saved as PDF files and emailed to me. (Or post them here as attachments, if they don't exceed the 1MB limit.)
A random selection of dates would be ideal. Thanks!
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 27, 2018 9:34:58 GMT -5
Deeky, I will eventually get you the visual stuff you want from the LA Times, although it may take awhile.
I'm going to have to take some time to learn how to use the search engine on newspapers.com if I want to get full advantage of my investment in my membership.
Newspapers.com is a kind of message board, where people have their profile pages, tell about their interests, and "clip" articles on the subjects they are interested in, and these clippings can be viewed by non-members.
For all I know, there could be other Film Detectives who are members there, searching for lost films, and probably some who are tracking what newspaper stories of Famous Madams and their sporting houses, such as Polly Adler, Pauline Tabor and Miss Hazel Bennet Weiss, as well as the fascinating subject of prostitution in the USA and the days after it became illegal in the USA but was tolerated and openly practiced in those legendary houses that have begun to fade into folklore.
One bit of clippings by special interest members of newspapers.com has ads for horror movies, for which I saw some examples of their clippings.
I just don't know how to search for such special interest members of that web page. It is a whole world to open up to those who have high IQs and are not "slow learners" like I happen to be.
When I was in grammar school there was a "special class" for those who were euphamistically called "slow learners," although my IQ was not low enough to be put into that class.
It's going to take time for This Slow Learner to master the search engine, as well as the different ways to save and/or clip photos of articles and pages from the newspapers.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 27, 2018 9:43:33 GMT -5
Now, to keep this thread on topic. I have finished my surfing of the weekly adult entertainment pages of the LA times through the end of 1976, and have not found one single ad listing HIM, which was a surprise and disappointment to me.
At the present, I am not going to search the Independent Movie Theatre Listings for LA.
I am going to return to San Francisco, via the San Francisco Examiner, to try to fill in those weeks, and months, when the Nob Hill Cinema, where HIM was reportedly shown in that city, that are missing from the archive of the Bay Area Reporter.
The San Francisco Chronicle was supposedly one newspaper that HIM was advertised in, but newspapers.com has that a few issues of that newspaper only for years long before the 1970s.
That is my strategy for now.
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Post by Killer Goldfish on Aug 27, 2018 16:34:58 GMT -5
That was all news to me. I understand wanting to keep the focus on finding the lost film, but thanks for the aside about Benzedrine abuse. I got this for Christmas last year. Looking forward to reading about Nazis and amphetamines! I really want to read that one, too. Because Nazis on speed. Fuck!
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 28, 2018 1:01:51 GMT -5
Let's start a Nazis and Amphetimines thread, so I can keep the Film Detectives Thread On Topic.
The San Francisco Examiner.
What we have is the memory (unless someone has a defunct AV Maniacs thread saved), of a person saying he saw HIM advertised as playing at the Nob Hill Cinema, in the San Francisco Chronicle in 1975-1976.
While the San Francisco Chronicle is not available to me, in checking out the San Francisco Examiner, I have found out a few things.
That newspaper did not run ads for Porno films Mon-Sat, but on Sunday, they had a magazine section that did have display ads for porno films, including the Ultra Notorious Mitchell Bros. houses.
And, in their no display ads section, they do list the X rated houses, including the all male houses, specifically, the Nob Hill schedule, with my checking each Sunday for January of 1975, and finding Wakefield Poole films, but no listing for HIM yet.
After getting plugged into the way things were done in the SF Examiner, if it keeps up for 1975 and 1976, then I can check all of the weeks and months when the Nob Hill ran no ads in the Bay Area newspaper, or when the issues of that newspaper are missing, as was the case in January of 1975.
One month of this routine is enough for me to have put up with for now, but I'm hopeful that checking the Nob Hill schedules missing from the BAReporter will find a listing for HIM.
But, there is always the possiblity that the person making the claim about HIM in SF 1975-1976 might not have a perfect memory, and it could have played in SF at some other house.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 28, 2018 9:19:20 GMT -5
My strategy paid off, and a lot sooner than I was expecting.
Confirmation, via the San Francisco Examiner, that HIM played at the Nob Hill theater in 1975.
In February of 1975, to be more precise, although right now, we don't know the exact dates, the apparent two week run started and ended.
And, the very ironic thing is that the two issues of the Bay Area Reporter for February of 1975 were included in the archive that is online.
Yet, I didn't see any ads for the Nob Hill in those two issues, February 6 and February 20th.
In the This World Magazine, S.F. Examiner of Sunday, February 2, 1975, page 221, total count on newspapers.com's listing, the Nob Hill is running Tuesday Morning Workout, S.F. Premiere.
S.F. Examiner Sunday, February 9, 1975, page 244, the Nob Hill listing reads:
"HIM" - S.F. Premiere "Very Bizarre"-Viva Magazine.
S.F. Examiner, Sunday, February 16, 1975, p 237, the listing reads the same as the previous week.
S.F. Examiner, Sunday, February 23, 1975, p 219, The Nob Hill listing is: SUR, S.F. Premiere.
I think I can possibly get photo files of these listings posted today.
As a Boy Scout, I've done my good turn for the day, and probably for the week.
Can't remember if the other print of HIM was playing back in the Eastern or Midwestern USA at this time or not.
If we can determine which day of the week the movie changed at the Nob Hill, we could get a better idea if it was playing at two different places at the same time.
Got to get on to Other Things.
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Post by Jack Holman on Aug 28, 2018 9:35:23 GMT -5
Two other February '75 screenings that we know of. Chicago, Jan 29th - Feb 11, and Philadelphia, Feb 16/17th - Feb 23rd.
The first ad you found in S.F. Examiner is from February 9th. For the sake of argument, let's be generous and assume the film was actually shown a day or two after this ad, it would still probably be far too short notice to get the Chicago print to the west coast, so logic would dictate that those would indeed have to be two separate prints. The Philly screening on the other hand seems to actually partly overlap with the SF screening. Going on this information, I wouldn't be surprised if the Philly and Chicago screenings used the same print.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 28, 2018 12:01:55 GMT -5
DoubleU, thanks for the like of my last post. I'll check and see if I can get a guess as to what day of the week the film usually changed at Nob Hill.
I've saved the photos of the listings and will get them on here probably tonight. Although Ed D Louie's name is not used in the listings, the quote from Viva magazine was used in the ads where Ed D. Louie's name was also used, so I think that the likelyhood of the film being shown as simply "HIM" leaving out Ed D Louie's name, being a copycat film is unlikely.
Also, with the surprisinig lack of display ads in the Bay Area Reporter, altho not unusual for the SF Examiner, finding the SF Chronicle to check on what kind of ads were used in that newspaper would greatly aid in the Film Detective work.
But, It is important that the showing at the Nob Hill in SF has now been confirmed, and hopefully the Boston showing can also be confirmed.
The Ottawa newspaper I checked had a movie listing page similar to that of the SF Chronicle, and the type was smaller, and at the time I checked, that idea didn't seem worth pursuing.
But, with these results from the SF Examiner, re-checking the Ottawa Citizen might be worth trying again.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Aug 28, 2018 23:25:42 GMT -5
It may be this weekend or well into next week, before I do any more on The Project, and specifically, producing some photographic evidence of what days the movies might have changed at the Nob Hill Cinema, as well as just the search for playdates of HIM in general, so, in the interest of giving DoubleU the photo evidence he needs to update his essay that a Nob Hill showing in 1975 has been confirmed, I am attaching the movie guide listing from the San Francisco Examiner of Sunday, February 9 of that year, which was also run on the following Sunday, February 16. Attachments:
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