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Post by Deeky on Jun 12, 2018 10:37:26 GMT -5
Deeky, what does Station to Station have to do with David Bowie? Station to Station is the name of one of David Bowie's albums. It was a joke. Bowie's album didn't come out until 1976.  |
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Post by Deeky on Jun 12, 2018 10:44:12 GMT -5
As an aside, I always thought the guy in the rear bore a striking resemblance to the Thin White Duke.  |
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Post by Portrait in Flesh on Jun 12, 2018 13:28:06 GMT -5
Oh, look, gay porn based on the work of David Bowie! *cackles* |
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Post by Portrait in Flesh on Jun 12, 2018 13:29:38 GMT -5
As an aside, I always that the guy in the rear bore a striking resemblance to the Thin White Duke. Where's all the coke? |
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Post by Deeky on Jun 12, 2018 13:42:47 GMT -5
I think that's what's being smuggled in the other guy's speedos.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 13, 2018 11:18:42 GMT -5
I actually signed up for that 30-day free trial a while ago. Pretty sure it's long expired by now, but I did grab this while I was there: imgur.com/a/6RXiUr5 - Every film listed under 'Hand in Hand Films'
Thanks for the link, DoubleU. None of the films on that list looked to me like compilations. I would suppose that you probably did check out any of the titles you thought could possibly be compilation films, and didn't find any, so I don't need to re-do something that had already been done. Supposing that compilation reel was done in 1982, the date of the then most recent film on the list, that would have been possible, since although porno movie houses were on the way out due to VHS, there were still some of them left that operated for a few more years. I'm wondering if that 16mm reel that Kinsey has could have been released by some other company than Hand In Hand? Weren't they both a production company and a film releasning company, and possibly then a VHS company, since they did stay in business as late as 1990? if I remember correctly? I'm thinking about doing another search of the Kinsey webpage to see if they have any film and/or video catalogs listed. Thanks again for doing a lot of film detective work on this very elusive film, and Ed D Louie. |
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Post by Jack Holman on Jun 13, 2018 12:04:34 GMT -5
You're right in that Hand in Hand were a distributor as well as producer of films, and they were in business up until the early-90s. I'll say that the IMDBPro list probably isn't the most comprehensive, I'm willing to bet there are titles missing. The reel could have been produced by someone other than Hand in Hand. It could even be a homemade effort never distributed. I.E. someone got ahold of a bunch of loops of spliced them together. In all my searching, I've certainly never seen a reel with this exact list of films listed anywhere else. Quite the mystery indeed.
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Post by Deeky on Jun 13, 2018 16:49:25 GMT -5
I'll say that the IMDBPro list probably isn't the most comprehensive, I'm willing to bet there are titles missing. It's worth noting that most of the data on IMDB was created by its users, so its accuracy is by no means guaranteed. It's not like anything there can and should be considered definitive. |
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Post by Choconado on Jun 13, 2018 19:28:55 GMT -5
Yeah, imdb is at best a friendly suggestion when it comes to real film detective work. Shame we don't have anybody with feet on the ground for any of the major depositories of vintage stuff that could actually do research. If I lived near any of them, I'd be happy to do the work.
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Post by Deeky on Jun 13, 2018 22:01:22 GMT -5
Choco Takes A Road Trip could be pretty great gay porn.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 13, 2018 23:16:52 GMT -5
Yeah, imdb is at best a friendly suggestion when it comes to real film detective work. Shame we don't have anybody with feet on the ground for any of the major depositories of vintage stuff that could actually do research. If I lived near any of them, I'd be happy to do the work. Choco, one possible resource I think we should not give up on is the WayBack Machine. it has all kinds of publications listed. |
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Post by Choconado on Jun 13, 2018 23:24:15 GMT -5
Choco Takes A Road Trip could be pretty great gay porn. Depends on my "costars" and how big parts they have. |
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Post by Deeky on Jun 13, 2018 23:26:28 GMT -5
We'll get you all the top co-stars.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 0:03:58 GMT -5
I actually signed up for that 30-day free trial a while ago. Pretty sure it's long expired by now, but I did grab this while I was there: imgur.com/a/6RXiUr5 - Every film listed under 'Hand in Hand Films' I've clicked on the link to the list of IMDB Pro's list of Hand In Hand films, twice, and in the 1974 listings, I cannot find HIM. I have also re-checked IMDB's listing for HIM on their regular board, and cannot find Hand In Hand or any other production or releasing company listed. Yet, there is a highlighted link under "Company Credits," which says, "show more," and when I clicked on that link It was a link to IMDB Pro. That seems strange to me. Could that link, if clicked on by a current member of IMDB Pro, be to some other company than Hand In Hand? Or could HIM have been added to the Hand In Hand listing since DoubleU's membership expired, the listing which I cannot find HIM listed for 1974 on the Hand In Hand page? Another strange thing is that IMDB lists the film's USA "complete" title as: Him: The Sex Life of Christ. Where did they find that out? Was that the title that appeared on the screen when the film was shown? Or, the title in ads for the film? Among all the many different ads for HIM that I have seen, I have never seen any that give the film's title as "Him: the Sex Life of Christ." I've done a n "images" search for Ed D Louie's HIM, and I will do such a search again, although I am not expecting to find what IMDB says is the film's "complete" title. More mysteries about this very mysterious film. |
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 1:03:09 GMT -5
Well, I did some Images searches, both on Google and Yahoo.
I searched for Ed D Louie's HIM, and HIM: The Sex Life of Christ, and, simply, The Sex Life of Christ.
On Yahoo, I got no ads for the Ed D Louie film, by any of the three titles.
On Google, under the title Ed D Louie's HIM, I did get images of the Village Voice ads, on a sidebar, but I wasn't able to enlarge them by clicking on them, or scroll thru them using the arrows on either side of a photo.
I suppose there is a lot I will never learn about how to navigate photos and other things online.
But, while I have seen many ads for Ed D Louie's Him, and presumably the same film as simply, Him, I have never seen what the IMDB listing claims is the USA "complete" title: Him: The Sex Life of Christ.
In addition to asking the very valid question as to where the IMDB listers got this "Complete" title business from, another valid question is the "complete title (USA)." Do they know something about HIM being released in other countries than the USA?
I kind of doubt that, because if they did know of any foreign titles for the film those titles would have been listed. I would guess that the IMDB listers knew only that HIM was released in the USA and knew nothing about any foreign releases.
But, again where did they get this "complete title" thing from?
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Post by Deeky on Jun 14, 2018 9:18:15 GMT -5
But, again where did they get this "complete title" thing from? See previous comments above. Anyone anywhere can make changes to IMDB data. Someone could have made it up and added it to IMDB. Who knows. |
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 9:28:14 GMT -5
Before I present my latest straw to grasp at and stone to unturn (if possible), I'll give some general, possibly "philosophical" observations on the search for Ed D Louie's HIM.
I kind of doubt that interest in Ed D Louie's HIM is all that great, and ranking it along with London After Midnight among lost films seems a bit far-fetched.
And, if the entire feature film, either uncut or in some censored form is ever found, and it can legally be put back into circulation, I seriously doubt that there would be much potential for any investor to earn any profits from making new prints, if they had the rights to do so.
Of course, I could be wrong about that. But, we all hear that "making money" is the prime motivation for much of what people do in life.
That is inarguable, but actually "making money" is different from doing something in an attempt to make money.
How much money is spent, to earn very small profits, break even, or money lost, in comparison to successful attempts to "make money?"
What interests me about HIM is that I never would have dreamed when I first read Al Goldstein's review, that decades into the future, the film's very existence would become an almost partisan issue dividing people into two sides of believers and non believers, with the non believers insisting in the most adamant, authoritative manner, that the film never even existed, and giving arguments to support their positions.
Enough of that, if anyone appreciates what I have said above.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 9:29:50 GMT -5
But, again where did they get this "complete title" thing from? See previous comments above. Anyone anywhere can make changes to IMDB data. Someone could have made it up and added it to IMDB. Who knows. That is a very good point, Deeky. |
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 9:47:12 GMT -5
Got a busy day ahead of me dealing with Money Matters, and won't spend much more time on this thread on ZAQB.
I am wondering just how many Film Detectives and/or Would Be Film Detectives there are, who are interested in the Search for HIM, who have posted to Internet Message boards, or have been the subject of Internet news articles?
Less than 100 total?
I checked the Lost Wiki Media board, which has its own unique roster of people interested in HIM, but are there many among them who would want to do some "work," in finding data about this supposedly "lost" film?
A lot of very good discussion on that board about the Kinsey Institute and their qualifications for researches to get appointments to see their data.
But, noting really new there.
The Cinehound Forum page on HIM started off good, but went 8 years with no updates, the last one being awhile back from Yours Truly, and so far no response.
Also, the Fortean Times board which had much of interest which I have referenced to on this thread with links, has recently gotten a new HIM thread.
But, again, anyone on that board who might do some Film Detective Work?
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 10:27:01 GMT -5
Now, to my latest idea.
I'm wondering if the 16 mm film in the Kinsey Institute could be a collection of film trailers?
David Friedman noted in one interview that sexploitation films (or at least the ones he distrubuted) tended to have longer running time trailers than those made for general release films.
Is this also true of films made for the All Male Houses?
The only all male house trailer collection I know of was listed in the first Something Weird Blue Book, under the title Coming Distractions An Orgy of Gay Movie Trailers, compiled by Lancer Brooks.
Who was Lancer Brooks? Probably not his real name.
At the time of the first SWV Blue Book's publication, I think SWV was all VHS.
And Coming Distractions was, according to a flyer sent out by SWV, withdrawn from their catalog as of April 15, 2001.
That's a long time ago.
Could anyone among all the online film detectives have, or know someone who would have a print of Coming Distractions so it could be checked to see if there was a trailer for HIM in this compilation? There were two titles also on the Kinsey 16 mm untitled reel included in Coming Distractions.
My count is that there are a total of 32 titles in the Coming Distractions reel, and not all of them are listed.
Could HIM be among the titles not listed?
The Coming Distractions listing covers 1/2 of Page 128 of the SWV Blue Book.
It's another Straw To Grasp At, and another Needle In A Haystack to Look for, but another Stone to be Unturned, if someone can get a print of Coming Distractions to account for all of the 32 titles of the trailers.
I'm getting tired of typing, but I'll transcribe the first part of the Coming Distractions description, to the point where I get my count of 32 trailers in the collection.
Here Goes:
"Remember Midnight Geisha Boy? ('Everyone's buddy is making it with . . . well, everyone's buddy?')
How about Get That Sailor? ('90 minutes of dynamic man power!')
And who could ever forget Golden Boys of the SS? ('You'll see elite German Nazi soldiers rape and debase their American captives!')
Well, they're all here --- or at least their trailers are --- as well as Bad,Bad Boys('In and out of jail and in and out of each other's pants!)
The Trouble Shooters('Will have you begging for more!')
Trucker . . . Men of the Road('Starring Terry, Frank, Ron, Rob, Mac, Mike, Larry, Tom, Bob, and Terry!')
No Holds Barred ('The story of young wrestlers and the positions they take!'),
Quarterback ('It'll blow more than your mind!') and two dozen other previews from an ancient era when gay porn was shot on film and projected in theaters."
OK, I'm tired of typing, but will transcribe the rest of the Coming Distractions write-up later, when I am in the mood to do so, and have the time.
The points I want to bring out now are, that the titles above total 8, the last one, Quarterback being on the Kinsey compilation.
8 films starting the listing, plus two dozen more, for a total of 32 titles. (One more title further down on the list is Desires of the Devil, which is also on the Kinsey reel).
I'm so tired of typing this up, that I don't even want to count and be sure that I have listed 8 film titles above. That was my count last night, but if anyone reading this gets a different count, and / or notices any obvious typo errors, just say so.
The type in the SWV catalog is very small, and i am using a magnifying glass to check for accuracy in my transcription.
I probably need to get my head examined for spending my time typing up this list, and if anyone could find a copy of Coming Distractions, i doubt that HIM would be included in the compilation.
But, I was doubtful that HIM, or even part of HIM would be in the Kinsey Institue collection.
Main point is the possibility the Kinsey film could be a trailer compilation. I would certainly think that there would have been a trailer to promote HIM as a Coming Attraction (or Cumming Distraction), in the houses it was shown in.
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