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Post by Jack Holman on Jun 14, 2018 10:45:48 GMT -5
The idea of the Kinsey reel being a compilation of trailers honestly hadn't occured to me being. Definatly not out of the question, good thinking.
I took the time to quickly check my usual sources for this sort of thing, but couldn't find a trace of Coming Distractions with the exception of an IMDB page listing 18 films as being included. Unfortunately, it also seems to be the title of an unrelated DVD compilation of trailers released by Troma around 2004, so that might make any searching a bit difficult. I'll certainly try to keep an eye out for it.
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Post by Deeky on Jun 14, 2018 10:52:59 GMT -5
Choconado used to work for Troma, "houseboy" I think it was. He may be able to provide some clarification.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 11:44:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the posts, DoubleU and Deeky.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 14, 2018 21:50:31 GMT -5
Returning to the Coming Distractions reel in the SWV Blue Book, I now think the number of titles it contains is more than I and the writer of the listing counted, so the chance that Him could have been on it but not listed now seems virtually zero.
But, since I did bother to write down 17 more titles, I'll transcribe those film titles, which will bring the total to 25, just for the record and to finish a project that I started.
"From soft-X nostalgia like Ride 'Em Hard and Fast ('The story of two motorcycle boys who like a lot of fun!' )
and Pledge of Flesh ('Will tickle your fancy right where it's at! ' )
to early triple-X-X-X epics like Desires of the Devil ('A penetrating insight into the world of the hustler!' starring RICK 'JIM' CASSIDY
through the Disco Hell years of Killing Me Softly ('Starring John Kovacs, a tight bundle of smoldering manhood!')
and El Paso Wrecking Corp. ('They're out to wreck you!'),
there's bound to be plenty here you've never heard of and just as many that'll leave you utterly aghast.
See 'cumming attractions' for L.A. Tool and Die,
Moving!,
The Pledgemasters ('Young men willing to submit to the most base degeneration!'),
Inches,
Muscle Bound,
The Phallic Worshipper ('Traces man's love for the penis to prehistoric pagan rites!'),
Brentwood,
The Jockstrap,
Navy Blue ('Payne and Wrangler! Wrangler in Payne!'),
A Taste of Beefcake,
New York Construction Co.,
and JAMIE GILLIS in Los Banditos ('Hey Gringos, I don't got to show you no stinking hardons!')"
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 22, 2018 20:20:26 GMT -5
The site I used to find the listings for the rest of the films was gayeroticvideoindex.com [NSFW, obviously]. While looking for the rest of the films, I figured it might be worth seeing if they had a listing for Him. Sure enough, they did: gayeroticvideoindex.com/V/6/53586.htmlA few things struck me as interesting. Firstly, the page lists the distributor and studio behind Him as 'Fantastic Films', not Hand-in-Hand. The listing on the site for Fantastic Films turns up nothing other than Him. The page lists actor 'Ron Travers' in the role of the main (non-Jesus) character. Again, his page brings up nothing other than 'Him'. The page lists several scenes, including a few not mentioned in either David Tipmore or Al Goldstein's reviews. The page cites three sources for this information: 1. Pete Dvarackas. "Gayflicks" Gay Times #19, 1974 pg. 22 (Review) 2. Bruce King. Gay Scene Vol. 4 No. 12 May 1974 pg. 15 (Review) 3. Data-Boy No. 114 Mar. 12, 1975 pg. 17 (Review) I haven't come across any of these articles before in relation to the film. The page also lists Gustav Von Will (AKA Tava) under the name 'Tava von Wilo', which I'm thinking is probably just an error. I'm not sure how any of the new info presented on the page holds up, I guess I'd have to take a look at those articles to find out. I haven't been able to turn up anything in searching for them, but I've emailed the webmasters over on the site to see if they can provide me with the relevant scans. I did a search on the Way Back Machine for the magazines, Gay Times # 19, 1974, Gay Scene Vol. 4 No. 12, 1974, and Data-Boy No 114 Mar. 12 1975, and got no results. Of course, I might not have used the right filter settings. Getting a link to the Way Back Machine for others who want to check up on those 3 magazines, or other magazines that might have articles on HIM is something I will be doing soon. I can't remember if I looked for Butt magazine on the Way Back Machine or not.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 22, 2018 21:20:04 GMT -5
Leaving No Stone Unturned and No Straw Ungrasped at, I've been wondering if The Advocate, a fairly high profile GLBT magaine could have had movie reviews in 1974, and possibly reviewed Ed D Louie's HIM. Below is a link from the Advocate Archives, and note that it mentions the Wayback machine. www.advocate.com/archivesAnd, here is a link to the Way Back Machine: archive.org/
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Post by Dr. Kobb on Jun 23, 2018 1:25:16 GMT -5
As an aside, I always thought the guy in the rear bore a striking resemblance to the Thin White Duke.
Kind of like if Bowie and Beeber had a love-child.
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Post by Dr. Kobb on Jun 23, 2018 1:29:06 GMT -5
Choco Takes A Road Trip could be pretty great gay porn. Depends on my "costars" and how big parts they have.
I'm available to play "Bruce", the burly trucker who picks up a stranded Choco after his car breaks down midway to Van Nuys Blvd.
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Post by Dr. Kobb on Jun 23, 2018 1:53:25 GMT -5
Returning to the Coming Distractions reel in the SWV Blue Book, I now think the number of titles it contains is more than I and the writer of the listing counted, so the chance that Him could have been on it but not listed now seems virtually zero. But, since I did bother to write down 17 more titles, I'll transcribe those film titles, which will bring the total to 25, just for the record and to finish a project that I started. Pledge of Flesh ('Will tickle your fancy right where it's at! ' )Desires of the Devil ('A penetrating insight into the world of the hustler!' starring RICK 'JIM' CASSIDY The Pledgemasters ('Young men willing to submit to the most base degeneration!'), The Phallic Worshipper ('Traces man's love for the penis to prehistoric pagan rites!'), Navy Blue ('Payne and Wrangler! Wrangler in Payne!'), and JAMIE GILLIS in Los Banditos ('Hey Gringos, I don't got to show you no stinking hardons!')"
Does Desires of the Devil have any overt occult/satanic themes like the incredible Sons of Satan?
Didn't you send me copies of the poster art for The Pledgemasters a long while back?
Is this a genuine documentary? Or some horrid excuse to dress guys up as "primitives" for the usual antics?
Is that George Payne in Navy Blue? Man, if it is, it might be worth a watch. Didn't know he did any gay porn, but man, he had some manic roles in some gritty NYC 80's S&M porn.
Same story for Jamie Gillis in Los Banditos. Is that one gay porn? Wasn't aware he did any, either.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 23, 2018 4:06:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the post, Dr. Kobb. I have one more post to do on the Coming Distractions trailer and that will be the last I have to say on that film release.
If you go to the gay film archives link which DoulbeU included,lower down on Page 2 of this thread, you can look those titles up.
I did look up the plot summary on Desires of the Devil and it does have occultism as the main theme with Rick / Jim Cassidy playing a male hustler who becomes involved with the Devil Himself.
I'm not sure if The Pledgemasters was a real documentary or a phony one.
I sent you a trailer for The Pledgemasters, comapring some of the graphics used in it with the trailer for Man and Wife.
Yes, there is only one George Payne in porno that I know of, and he, like Jim (for the gay films) / Rick (for the straight films) Cassidy, was a switch hitter who swung both ways, as did Jamie Gillis.
Jamie Gillis did a few gay films, and in one of his straight films, Story of Joanna, received a blow job from his butler played by a gentleman named, was it Channing Wilroy? (Or, did Channing Wilroy play the butler whose semen was used to impregnate women and the babies sold to lesbian couples in Pink Flamingos? Sometimes, we film detectives can get the names of actors playing butlers mixed up).
Marc 10 & 1/2 Stevens was basically a star of straight porno films, but was said in his private life to be basically homosexual. In her biography Porno Star, Tina Russell, calls Marc "Steve," if I remember correctly, and tells about catching Marc and her husband Jason, in the act with Marc topping Jason She tells about trying to help Marc to learn to enjoy straight sex.
I think Tina and jason may have divorced, and Marc and Tina married each other although I am not sure about that.
In one interview, Marc was quoted as saying that although he was basically homosexual, he didn't do many gay films because the producers wanted performers who would do both topping and bottoming, and Marc did not want to bottom.
After he became a big star of straight porno, Marc could of course refuse to bottom, in gay films, because the producers obviously wanted his name recognition bad enough to let him do or not do what he wanted in the gay films.
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Post by Deeky on Jun 23, 2018 9:45:08 GMT -5
Sometimes, we film detectives can get the names of actors playing butlers mixed up. Channing Wilroy was in Pink Flamingos.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 23, 2018 14:28:37 GMT -5
OK, Deeky. I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt. I just didn't see any reason to go searching my X rated movie guide books to be certain about the ID of the actor who played the role of the butler in Story of Joanna.
I was wrong, and thanks for correcting me.
The actor who played Jamie Gillis's butler in Story of Joanna was Zebedy Colt.
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Post by Deeky on Jun 23, 2018 15:00:46 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt. What does this phrase mean?
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 23, 2018 18:34:13 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt. What does this phrase mean? Thanks for asking, Deeky. I should do a net search to find out how far back that old saying goes, and who is the first person known to have said it, although it has been repeated many times thru the years and I see it as a real gem of wisdom. My first hearing, or reading of it was when it was said by the judge of a state supreme court. It has probably been said by military leaders, too. I would think it would mean, that when a person is in a position of authority, and has to take decicive action, that they are not "wishy-washy" about their decision and whether it is right or wrong, but instead must go ahead an act rather than do nothing.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 24, 2018 0:10:57 GMT -5
Here is a link to the Washington Gay Blade newspaper which I mentioned back on the old ZAQB. That newspaper has been digitized, and this link is for the years 1973-1974. digdc.dclibrary.org/cdm/search/collection/I'm getting tired of net searching, but the Gay Blade newspaper was published Monthly, and was 12 pages. At the bottom of a page in about May of 1974, I did find a place where HIM might have been shown: the Hot For Cash Cinema Club. The viewer you get to on this link is very new and different from any I've used before, and when I tried to copy and paste the URL, in addition to having trouble scrolling thru the pages, I also hit a wrong button, and lost the page where that ad was. But, with movie houses like that operating in Washington, DC, I'd think it was likely that the Washington Gay Blade might turn up some discussion of Ed D Louie's HIM. Along with the viewer, there is also a search function. I will be re-visiting the link above, but I'd certainly welcome any finds by any of you other ZABers who might be more skilled in using search engines.
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Post by Choconado on Jun 25, 2018 19:37:51 GMT -5
Choconado used to work for Troma, "houseboy" I think it was. He may be able to provide some clarification. Nah, I just volunteered for them at local events a couple times, and was toxie for their booth at a major comic convention once. Disability is a hell of a chain keeping me from doing some of the things I'd love to in life. I'd probably travel and put boots on the ground doing film investigation if I could. I recently found out about "Fury of the Demon" and would love to investigate that supposedly cursed film that may or may not actually exist. But the only tool I have is my computer, which I'm not going to get too in depth with while I'm in family time, as I have been for over a week now. Sidebar, Lancer Brooks is a pseudonym of writer director Tom DeSimone, who's done a bunch of exploitation films, both straight and gay, mostly in the 70s and 80s. For example, he made "Chatterbox", the film about the woman with a talking vagina. He also did the Linda Blair classics, Hell Night, and Savage Streets. Considering several of his films flat out have "bi" in the title, I suspect he himself was bi. And yes, he's credited as the director of Coming Distractions.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 25, 2018 23:21:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the post, Choco. Sorry about the disabilities. One can do a lot sitting at a computer, tho, and I think that the Washington Blade might be worth the time I put into surfing it.
Or it may not produce any results at all.
On the Lost Media Wiki, some people are looking there for Children of Loneliness, if that is spelled correctly, a GLBT roadshow film of the 1930s and 1940s.
I first learned of that film in Mike Vraney, or one of his authors writing about its being lost in the Something Weird catalog.
I did post to that thread on Lost Wiki and told them that the Kinsey Instiute had produced good results for film detectives looking for another lost film.
One of their members did chck the Kinsey listings and I was surprised to read that he could not find it there. I would have thought that film more likely to be in the Kinsey Institue than Ed D Louie's HIM, since Dr. Kinsey started his Great Work in the late 1940s, at that time, buying a pring of Kenneth Anger's Scorpio Rising for the institute's collection. And, reading the thread on Lost Media Wiki, Children of Loneliness, it was reported that the film was still being shown and reviewed in the late 1940s, again reinforcing my thoughts that it would be likely in the Kinsey collection.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 25, 2018 23:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 27, 2018 0:48:07 GMT -5
Choconado used to work for Troma, "houseboy" I think it was. He may be able to provide some clarification. Nah, I just volunteered for them at local events a couple times, and was toxie for their booth at a major comic convention once. Disability is a hell of a chain keeping me from doing some of the things I'd love to in life. I'd probably travel and put boots on the ground doing film investigation if I could. I recently found out about "Fury of the Demon" and would love to investigate that supposedly cursed film that may or may not actually exist. But the only tool I have is my computer, which I'm not going to get too in depth with while I'm in family time, as I have been for over a week now. Sidebar, Lancer Brooks is a pseudonym of writer director Tom DeSimone, who's done a bunch of exploitation films, both straight and gay, mostly in the 70s and 80s. For example, he made "Chatterbox", the film about the woman with a talking vagina. He also did the Linda Blair classics, Hell Night, and Savage Streets. Considering several of his films flat out have "bi" in the title, I suspect he himself was bi. And yes, he's credited as the director of Coming Distractions. Choco, when you are no longer in family time, and want to do some searching for when HIM might have played in Washington, DC, give that link I posted to the Washington Gay Blade a workout and see if you can add your name to the elite list of those who have found ads of HIM being shown outside of NYC. With my limited computer skills and not knowing how to use that newspaper's search engine, I am very handicapped in my searches, but there were probably at least 3 houses that could have shown HIM. One of them was destroyed in a fire. (I know I mentioned this in the past, somewhere), and there was considerable loss of life and it was believed the fire was intentionally set, probably by a person or persons who hated GLBTs. So, while many of those who write on HIM express amazement that there was not any kind of violent protesting to the film, there was at least one act of violence directed against all male porno movie houses, although I would doubt that HIM would have been showing there, or that anyone intentionally setting the fire, would have known about HIM, but since we don't know the whole story,maybe the fire starter(s?) did know about HIM. I'm sure the Blade gave much coverage to this incident, which I think happened in 1978 (I do have the date of a newspaper report written down in one of my notebooks). I'm sure a person who knew how to use the Blade search engine, could find coverage of this very sad and horrifying incident, it in that newspaper.
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Post by Billy A. Anderson on Jun 30, 2018 2:09:18 GMT -5
I think this thread has dropped down the list and needs to be read by those who missed my last post to it.
I want to believe that I'll find just the right issue of the Gay Blade which will have an ad for a showing of Ed D Louie's HIM.
I have saved some of the ads I have found so far, and one film that played in DC, was California Supermen, the blasphemous Jesus film that was released a year or so before HIM, originally as Lodestar, or Loadstar.
This film is probably of little interest to few people today, because it is (or was, as of 2010) available to any adult who wants to see it, unlike HIM, which at the present, is impossible for anyone to see.
Krakenslayer's intense searching of ads for HIM also included locating the video company that distrubutes Loadstar / Califronia Supermen, and giving details on Bob Birdsong, one of the California Supermen body builders who was in the film. And, Mr. Birdsong has become a Born Again Christian. I just wonder if Mr. Birdsong would discuss loadstar / California Supermen today, or even admit publicly to having been in the film. That is a project that I just don't have the time to pursue.
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